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By: churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged

For one thing, 150 of them were intentional. Yes, and 49/150 happened in back to back season, so spread the rest of the 101 out over the other 13 years and that’s just under 8 a season. so only a small...

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By: churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged

Are you saying greenies literally contributed to Hammerin’ Hank breaking Ruth’s record? Not speaking for the others, but it depends on what you mean by contribute? Did it turn Hank from singles hitter...

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By: Matt S

Whenever anyone cries “cheaters!” I tune out immediately. What it comes down to is this: the anti-Bonds, Clemens, Sosa crowd would rather feel morally superior rather than make a persuasive argument....

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By: Alex K

But different steroids also do different things…so you can’t compare one of those to the other, either. Or does the argument change when you’re talking about teh steroids?

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By: umrguy42

I read a book on the Black Sox – they were far from the first, and probably not the last, to fix games. And several bigger names in baseball, AFTER the Sox, basically got caught, but let off with a...

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By: ashoreinhawaii

Curt Schilling? Really? Must be one of those Bosox fans who think he should a Purple Heart for pitching with a bloody ankle.

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By: churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged

Whats your argument against Schilling? While Maddux/Clemens/Johnson/Martinez should be locks in the next few years, the next tier down is Mussina/Schilling/Pettitte/Morris. Here’s how he stacks up...

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By: ronaldjones

Matthew Pouliot: You, sir, are an idiot. This pathetic excuse for analysis finely illustrates why you don’t (and, thankfully, never will) have a Hall of Fame vote. In fact, I’d say you’re rather lucky...

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By: plmathfoto

Ok, well written argument, but you yourself said that they took a calculated risk. What was the risk that you believe they took if you believe as you state that no punishment should be levied (ie not...

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By: plmathfoto

I’m curious what the people who think that Bonds, Clemens, et al should be voted in think about guys like Tim Raines & Keith Hernandez who in my opinion have had their vote totals much less than...

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By: sabatimus

Exactly. In fact I thought that he absolutely DID bet on games that he managed/played.

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By: paperlions

Church can speak for me, too. I agree with all of that.

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By: Alex K

I’ll second what paper said. Church nailed it.

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By: paperlions

We know they are different and actually understand the potential effects and their physiology, and those differences were outlined above. Those are called facts. What you wrote is called frothing. You...

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By: raysfan1

He did. The current saw is that he never bet against the Reds. However, that is still a problem because it creates a perception of possibly not trying as hard in games in which he did not bet, or...

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By: nightrain42

I agree.

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By: raysfan1

I’m sure Matthew says “thank you.” With enemies like you, who simply spew insults rather than even attempting to make a cogent argument either one way or the other, I’m sure he will sleep well indeed.

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By: raysfan1

You only listed 2 cocaine users–I’d vote for Raines, would like to have seen more power from Hernandez but would have no problem with him being elected by the Vets Committee. One you didn’t mention...

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By: mqcarpenter

The baseball hall of fame is laughable. They put everyone in in the first place and now we are arguing about drug users based on estimation not fact. It’s a disgrace. And you are right. If any known...

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By: makeham98

McGwire without roids = Steve Balboni. Are you going to campaign for him too?

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By: Matt S

The principal risk is that the side-effects of steroid use may have negative long-term health consequences. In effect, a player who chooses to take steroids is gambling that the short-term gain in...

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By: Matt S

Agree re: the character clause. It’s too easily manipulated. Is becoming addicted to cocaine an example of poor character? I’d say it isn’t. Being a racist, like Ty Cobb, sure. But even then- I’d much...

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By: braddavery

You clearly don’t know my stance on steroids/HGH. I know what they can and can’t do. I know that if done right, they can be very helpful and safe. Fact is, they are illegal in baseball and greenies...

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By: 1908wasnextyear

@Matthew: Hmm. Maybe. Still though, I think the only reason either of them gets talked about for the hall at all is because they hit home runs–lots of them. Those OBP/OPS/SLG years you mention probably...

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By: nastyn8770

It’s because he’s white isn’t it? I knew it.

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By: materialman80

Sosa or any of the other cheaters do not belong in the Hall of Fame. EVER.

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By: chuckleberry1974

Mark flipping McGwire is one of the greatest hitters of all time? The man who some seasons had more homers than singles? Whatever, that’s fine to say that, I guess. But as an argument against Sammy...

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By: wlouden77

Fact is that the baseball Hall of Fame is (in part) about remembering the history of the game. Each era is different. I say put in the guys from the stroid era as well as Pete Rose. Also induct Joe...

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By: AlohaMrHand

You’re right,Gaylord Perry should be removed pronto!!

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By: rayfeathers

you get caught cheating you don’ t get in. simple. and godalmighty was sosa an assclown.

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